LTR

People also still have the misconception that the Rays are a bad hitting team, they aren't. They are a much more well-rounded team then in the past.

The Rays are no longer a top-tier pitching team... you just have this in your mind because they've been that way in the past. Their SP ranks 18th on depth charts in WAR. Their RP ranks 5th on depth charts in WAR.

You said specifically "the Blue Jays have a ~110 home run factor " and I corrected you. It seems like you are attempting to elude even yourself. Low BABIP sure, less batted balls sure, strike-outs sure, none of this relates to park factors. He's still going to give up the same number of flyballs in any park and the number of those flyballs leaving the park will be dependent on park factors. In any case I agree it's not significant enough to say he should not be pitching in hitters parks.

Agreed, could not watch more than a few seconds... he needs speech therapy.

My data was for him is as a starter only. Think about it… 3.65 SIERA since 2011, that’s good. He might not be quite as good as 2012-13 but I think he can still be effective. He’s mastered his change-up the last 2-3 years (K% increase with the CH). 31 years old is not really an age I’d start worrying about any significant performance drop-offs. The Blue Jays actually have a HR PF of 118… the data you’re using has been halved to account for only playing half the games in a season at home. I don’t know why you are using a lower BABIP as an argument here. Sure the BABIP is lower makes sense for FB pitchers but that doesn’t change the point we’re talking about here. All of this kind of proves my point anyway. And with that said I still think Estrada can be effective enough at RC. That is a good article and does kind of prove my point as well (significant or not). “As expected, fly-ball pitchers have been hurt by dinger parks, and they’ve benefited from non-dinger parks. But there’s nothing extreme, here — it’s just a matter of percentages.”

^CHP cf

#PanicAndDesperation

Wrong on all accounts. He's at least average, probably better actually. League SIERA last year: 3.85 Estrada SIERA from 2011 to 2015: 3.65 People are seriously undervaluing this guy because he's been pitching in hitters parks. Disagree on fly-ball pictures not performing worse in hitters park, it's just common sense. The more fly-balls the more likely some will go out in hitters parks.

I don't want him on the team, good performance or not, got it?

Never said a single thing about Buchholz not being good. What the hell are you talking about?

Rubby De La Rosa vs. Jorge De La Rosa tomorrow @ Coors (no relation).

I guess it takes a couple years for the strength/fast-twitch muscle performance gains from PEDs to finally wear off... I'm serious, I'm not serious.

I don't mind a 1-2 year extension if it's cheap. This team just needs average major league pitching to win games and Estrada is definitely about average (and I'm not saying we should settle for less; he'd still be good depth). The only caveat, like Dickey, is he's probably not a good fit for RC, but he had 3-4 good to fine years pitching in about the same type of ball park in Milwaukee.

I just don't get why people have to knock Estrada after a couple amazing starts. Do we have to be so pessimistic? Can't we just enjoy a great accomplishment for a change?

Holy f***. You got me. Trolling job successful. Buchholz? If Buchholz was on this team I'd have to find a new team to watch. f*** that's the worst suggestion, I hate Buchholz. Watching that grease monkey slab up the ball after he rubs his hands in his dirty hair after every pitch... f*** no.

*Cheers* Here's hoping for some Rays and Yankees injuries too. I'll also take some O's going down while were at it.

Nice!

That response when you don't even know what the contract/price would be is pretty dim. He's good depth at the very least.

Shut up.

We'll go together. Afterwards we'll fight.

Consider anger management classes.

We just need him to be decent. I think he can be. The K's are there. He will at least keep hitters off balance.

Rumble in the bronx

Seems decidedly inconvenient if you ask me.

NYY losing in the 9th.