The loss of Stroman truly sucked, but Graveman and Nolin are s***, in consideration towards what we have at 3rd base. I'll agree about the Lind deal, I hated it as soon as I heard it. As for Saunders and Happ, that remains to be seen, we're talking about 2 seasons of WAR against 1 year of an inflated contract in Happ, way too early to judge. Now depth, that's entirely different and on AA, period. That trade for Saunders was efficient, seeing as the Jays had no cash for Cabrera, and we can look at that also...