*shrug* actually, my area is remarkably nice, I mean there's the obvious drug dealer house two doors down (unless he's a gigolo who works REALLY quickly and frequently), but it's a quiet area. Bought the place for like 1/4 what a house like this would have cost me in/around Toronto, and I can actually bike to my work. Honestly, it's SOUTH Oshawa that you're thinking of when you think of notoriously terrible places. Looked at some stuff down there when I was in the market and *shudder*.