Spanky__99

Plan A for relievers are sic!

Right, and Jansen was better. Please, tell me that next?

Today, Jay weeps!

That's a very broad window of pitchers. I wouldn't mind a guy like Fairbanks and say Thielbar, Pomeranz, Coulombe or Taylor for a LHRP.

What's the difference? I'm pretty sure they want to sign Bo, sign a SP and a reliever, doesn't matter how that rolls out. Just Git R Dun!!!

2nd year Arb, he'll get like 2.5M.

He'll opt for FA.

He doesn't deserve Judge money, imo is all. The 2nd half of that contract is what makes me uneasy. Pay Bo and a stud reliever for that AAV he'll get, I'm comfortably in no thanks at that term.

Don't do what, sign a high leverage reliever?

I'm using Fangraphs payroll chart... TORONTO BLUE JAYS PLAYER PAYROLL▼ Estimated 2026 Payroll: $233M Legend: FREE AGENT Club Option Player Option Mutual Option Vesting Option Estimated Final 2025 Payroll: $258M Estimated Value|Money Owed to Team Players With Guaranteed Salaries▼ Player Age Service Time Contract AAV 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. 26.7 6.157 14 yr, $500M (2026-39) $35,714,286 $40,214,286 $40,214,286 $39,214,286 $38,214,286 $37,714,286 $37,714,286 $37,714,286 George Springer 36.2 11.166 6 yr, $150M (2021-26) $25,000,000 $24,166,667 FREE AGENT Kevin Gausman 34.9 11.151 5 yr, $110M (2022-26) $22,000,000 $23,000,000 FREE AGENT Andrés Giménez 27.2 5.106 7 yr, $106.5M (2023-29), 2030 club option $19,371,429 $15,571,429 $23,571,429 $23,571,429 $23,571,429 $23,000,000 José Berríos 31.5 9.044 7 yr, $131M (2022-28); can opt out after 2026 $18,714,286 $18,714,286 $24,714,286 $24,714,286 FREE AGENT Shane Bieber 30.5 7.097 2 yr, $26M (2025-26) $14,555,102 $16,000,000 FREE AGENT Anthony Santander 31.1 7.162 5 yr, $92.5M (2025-29), 2030 club option; can opt out after 2027; can void by picking up option; deferrals lower AAV $14,314,441 $21,000,000 $21,000,000 $14,750,000 $12,750,000 $15,000,000 Alejandro Kirk 27.0 5.047 5 yr, $58M (2026-30) $11,600,000 $8,700,000 $12,325,000 $12,325,000 $12,325,000 $12,325,000 FREE AGENT Jeff Hoffman 32.9 7.084 3 yr, $33M (2025-27) $11,000,000 $12,666,667 $12,666,667 FREE AGENT Myles Straw 31.1 5.125 5 yr, $25M (2022-26), 2027-28 club options $7,775,000 $7,400,000 $8,000,000 $8,500,000 Yimi García 35.2 10.149 2 yr, $15M (2025-26) $7,500,000 $7,500,000 FREE AGENT Yariel Rodríguez 28.7 2.000 5 yr, $32M (2024-27), 2028 player option; team has $10M club option if player option declined $6,400,000 $7,000,000 $8,000,000 $6,000,000 Service time is updated through 2025. Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2026 are courtesy of MLBTradeRumors, which uses a model created by Matt Swartz. Legend: Estimated Arb Players Eligible For Arbitration▼ Player Age Service Time Contract AAV 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 Daulton Varsho 29.4 5.128 1 yr, TBD (2026) $9,700,000 FREE AGENT Eric Lauer 30.5 5.091 1 yr, TBD (2026) $4,400,000 FREE AGENT Ernie Clement 29.7 3.168 1 yr, TBD (2026) $4,300,000 ARB 2 ARB 3 FREE AGENT Tyler Heineman 34.4 3.066 1 yr, TBD (2026) $1,000,000 ARB 2 ARB 3 FREE AGENT Notable Players Not Yet Eligible For Arbitration▼ Player Age Service Time Contract AAV 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 Bowden Francis 29.6 2.098 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 FREE AGENT Davis Schneider 26.8 2.029 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 FREE AGENT Louis Varland 27.9 1.163 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 ARB 4 FREE AGENT Brendon Little 29.3 1.135 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 ARB 4 FREE AGENT Addison Barger 26.0 1.103 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD Pre-ARB ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 FREE AGENT Nathan Lukes 31.3 1.145 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 ARB 4 FREE AGENT Braydon Fisher 25.3 0.145 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD Pre-ARB ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 ARB 4 FREE AGENT Trey Yesavage 22.3 0.014 1 yr, TBD (2026) TBD Pre-ARB Pre-ARB ARB 1 ARB 2 ARB 3 FREE AGENT Estimated salaries for other pre-arbitration players $14,040,000 Other Payments▼ Description 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 Myles Straw signing bonus -$400,000 Andrés Giménez signing bonus -$571,429 -$571,429 -$571,429 -$571,429 $ owed from CLE (Myles Straw trade) -$1,000,000 -$1,750,000 $ due for potential buyout of Myles Straw $1,750,000 $ due for potential buyout of Anthony Santander $5,000,000 $ due for potential buyout of Andrés Giménez $2,500,000 Estimated Payroll $233,401,904 $141,920,238 $114,003,571 $86,289,285 $57,539,286 $37,714,286 $37,714,286 Totals for estimated payrolls include potential buyouts and not option total Other Payments (Luxury Tax)▼ Description 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 Shane Bieber AAV adjustment (credited for unpaid buyout, prorated to time with team) -$1,268,816 Luxury Tax Payroll Estimate▼ Description 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 AAVs for players with guaranteed contracts (does not include players no longer on 40-man roster) $193,944,543 $117,114,441 $99,714,441 $81,000,156 $47,314,286 $35,714,286 $35,714,286 Salaries for players eligible for arbitration $19,400,000 AAVs for players with guaranteed contracts no longer on the 40-man roster Sum of Other Payments (does not include potential buyouts) -$1,971,429 -$2,321,429 -$571,429 -$571,429 Sum of Other Payments (Luxury Tax Only) -$1,268,816 Estimated salaries for players not yet eligible for arbitration and other players with non-guaranteed contracts $14,040,000 Estimated salaries for 40-man roster players in minor leagues $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 Estimated player benefits to be paid $18,000,000 $18,500,000 $19,000,000 $19,500,000 $20,000,000 $20,500,000 $21,000,000 Payment into $50M pre-arbitration bonus pool $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 Estimated Luxury Tax Payroll $246,310,965 $137,459,679 $122,309,679 $104,095,394 $71,480,953 $60,380,953 $60,880,953 Totals for estimated luxury tax payrolls include potential buyouts and not option total LUXURY TAX EXPLANATION AND OTHER PAYROLL NOTES The luxury tax thresholds for 2026 are $244M, $264M, $284M, $304M, with increasingly sharp penalties for surpassing each threshold.

Estimated payroll is at 233M right now after Bieber opting in, thankfully. That's 70M without bringing in a reliever that you mentioned, it's well over the final CBT at 304M, they don't need Okamoto with Clement/Barger/Santander/Lukes et al on this roster.

And that also brings the payroll to 300M+, lol. I think we should temper our expectations a bit. 😜

This attempt would be after we miss out on bigger fish, right? Like Bo or Belli... I don't think Tucker's worth 10/400M that money makes me uneasy.

I edit my post after looking at the projections. I'd be surprised if they protect a reliever at his age and injury history, we'll find out Tuesday.

Yeah, Jonn's out to lunch, he's projected as a 2.2 Win player by Steamer600.

I'm guessing the Jays will protect Tiedemann, Kasevich and Pinango on the 40 at Tuesday's deadline. I believe Arias and Duran are safe from being selected with their age and level. What do you guys think? Oops... I see it was discussed earlier, Longenhagen never mentioned 2 of those guys? Hmm... maybe I'm wrong. IDK. Actually Steamer600 doesn't project them very well. I get it.

That, or they didn't like what they saw during his rehab.

Nutting is the worst.

Yes, but...

We're talking about a 5th OF'er here, lol.

Nobody likes prospect porn???

Going forward Clase > Straw... simply cause of the money, Jays need to shed that contract. He put up 1.8 War last season I'm sure someone will take it on at a reduced amount, plus there's two team options to go with that. Low budget team could make due with him.

See again, unhinged. What the f*** does politics have to do with team success? Ross just brought the Jays 2 outs from a WS crown... the best since Pat Gillick. And you're out here huffing and puffing like a tool.