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Right? I didn't know that either, or simply forgot... mind blown twice in the last hour, lol.

Yeah, I hadn't known that either, but you'd think players around the league would know this, they're barking at the wrong person. Now having the title taken away is a fair ask from the players and fans. Stro fans would have to swallow it, and look at their franchise as the problem. This interview is really good though, I suggest everyone listen to it. I'm not as livid anymore, but I still think F U Astros and Manfred for seperate reasons. ETA: I have to reiterate How the f*** do all these players not know about the deal within their own union, are they that dumb? And yes I'm still in favour of more blood.

Manfred press conference tonight, damage control... good listen. https://www.mlb.com/news/rob-manfred-news-conference

Crosby was a goddamn beast tonight.

No, they won't considering the money getting thrown around on player careers for the latter examples, but they can nip this in the bud for the foreseeable future by announcing orgs and players with stiff penalties for using live in game technological cheating. I'm not going to comment on the first paragraph as I think I've made myself pretty clear.

Ah, thanks. Now I follow that train of thought. Like I said what a mess. Also, good post.

There is no precedent though, why would he have no power on an elaborate scheme run by the org and players to cheat that hasn't been done before? How'd the PED and even the infamous Black Sox/Pete Rose penalties come to fruition? Yes, he should announce a very strong message moving forward, regardless. I'm sorry, the guy has no ball sack. The penalty given wasn't nearly enough, such a black eye on the sport. I guess you're right about not looking at it from a fan's point of view, but these guys make massive amounts of money because of the fans, they have to show more integrity, imo. This is why most MLB ball players are irate, what a mess. Geez...

Fugly!

Are you serious on the bolded part? lol. Sure, suspend the players that were involved for 10-15 games intermittently if need be without pay, whether on other teams or not. Announce the banner comes down and strip them of the title, ban all personnel involved for life, rule with an iron fist. Him giving all these people involved full immunity is embarrassing, a complete moron dropped the ball, Hurl... f*** him.

MLB STARS HAMMER MANFRED OVER 'PIECE OF METAL' TROPHY CRACK Feb 18, 2020 , By HOWARD FENDRICH WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) Players who have won a World Series -- and those who have come up short -- seethed Monday at Commissioner Rob Manfred's reference to the sport's championship trophy as merely a "piece of metal," saying that comment reflected a disconnect between baseball's boss and those who produce the product on the field. "It bothered me, man. I hated it. It made him sound really out of touch," said reliever Sean Doolittle, a member of the 2019 title-winning Washington Nationals. "That's the holy grail of our sport. That's what we show up for in the beginning of February, thinking about and working towards." Added Doolittle: "I just can't believe how out of touch that is. You're the commissioner of our game. You're the steward of this game. That's a really special thing. It's an iconic symbol of our game. Please don't say that, even off-hand, even tongue-in-cheek." As with so many things being talked about around the majors as spring training gets started, this all stems from the Houston Astros' sign-stealing scam in 2017 and 2018. There have been calls for players involved to be punished in some way; MLB gave them immunity in exchange for cooperating with the investigation. "I'm sure a lot of people were mad," three-time AL MVP Mike Trout said at Los Angeles Angels camp in Tempe, Arizona. "They think the punishment should be more or something." Some think the Astros should be stripped of their 2017 championship, but Manfred said this on Sunday in an interview with ESPN: "The idea of an asterisk or asking for a piece of metal back seems like a futile act." That phrasing did not sit well. Doolittle and other players noted that the official name of the hardware itself is The Commissioner's Trophy. "For him to devalue it the way he did yesterday just tells me how out of touch he is with the players in this game. At this point, the only thing devaluing that trophy is that it says 'commissioner' on it," said Justin Turner, whose Los Angeles Dodgers lost to the Astros in the 2017 Series. "It's pretty obvious what everyone thinks should happen. I mean, no one in this clubhouse or in this room is asking for a trophy to be handed us, by any means. ... But at the same time, we understand how difficult it is to win a World Series. It's hard. It's really hard. And it's something that you have to earn," Turner said at LA's camp in Glendale, Arizona. "It's pretty evident to me that it wasn't earned and it's not something that a banner should be hung in their stadium (or) a trophy should be put up wherever their trophies go." Like Turner, Evan Longoria has been to a World Series but not won one. And as with Turner, Longoria was bothered by Manfred's words. "Well, there's a couple of pieces of metal, right? You get a ring, too. That's a big piece of metal," Longoria said Monday after the San Francisco Giants' first full-squad workout in Scottsdale, Arizona. "I think everybody that plays the game knows it's not just a 'piece of metal.' It's the blood, sweat and tears that go into the, whatever, 175 games or whatever it is that it takes to win a World Series. The sacrifices. I don't know if he said that to make a funny or what, but it's obviously representative of something much bigger than that." Joe Musgrove, currently with the Pittsburgh Pirates, pitched for the 2017 Astros and said he gets others' frustration with Manfred's comments. "They don't just hand those out; there's a lot of work that goes into getting one of those. So I can understand why they're upset about it," Musgrove said in Bradenton, Florida. "For me, personally, I think the ring is something that everyone takes with them and that's a special piece you can carry with you forever. There's only one trophy that gets made. That might be more important to the manager than anybody. But at the end of the season, as a team, getting to hold that thing up is pretty special. I understand where their frustration comes in." Doolittle spoke Monday about the feeling of first holding the trophy Washington won by beating Houston in Game 7 in October. "There were tears, man. ... It's hard to put into words what it is like to actually hold that trophy above your head for the first time," Doolittle said. "We saw how much that 'piece of metal' meant to the fans, going up and down the streets of D.C. We all know what it means to guys who have spent their whole career in the league, grinding, and they finally got to hold that thing." Manfred gets to take another swing at the topic when he holds a news conference in Arizona on Tuesday.

Marincin standing in no man's land while his check is wide open in front.

GO LEAFS GO!!! Ughh... Marincin in... WHY????????

Yes, I really didn't like that rumour of Leafs in on Martinez, although I didn't believe it.

Yeah, he's a f***ing retard. "piece of metal" lol.

Because PED's, grip substances, and in game sign stealing has been around for 50+ years, using real time video technology is absurd, as players have said, "would be nice to know what's coming" it's on an entirely different level, Brownie. They see it as those players getting off scot-free, and I agree with them. Seriously, f*** the Stro's and possibly Red Sox players that were involved in live video cheating, and Manfred's a f***ing moron to boot, f*** that guy.

Have you seen Correa's response to Bellinger in his interview with Rosenthal, fun watch, lol.

When he hits a ball in play and watch him run, I literally cringe and feel sorry for him.

Yeah, there's flaws in these projections getting spit out by a computer, it is what it is. Steamer is the best projection system in the sport though, imo. You'd likely have to go to their website and ask to get a correct answer. Also, did you seriously get a '73 MGB, if so, that's f***ing cool?

Especially moving full time to CF, I agree.

This. I don't get why they don't run with Thaiss or Ward at the position, they don't owe Albert anything, and he's been terrible.

I missed this trade last night... Wow!

Uhmm... I was being serious, if 6 or 7 guys hit better than Grichuk projections, that would be awesome. ETA: 2020 team projections... https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamer&team=14&lg=all&players=

Sens are dumn!

Hah... Sabres!

Kuemper should be back soon, and they still sit in a playoff spot for now. Nucks just announced that Boeser and Leivo might not be back this year, it's pretty wide open in the back end of the West. Should be interesting.