StubbinHub

Guys hit a wall in their career, especially those without plus-skills. Perhaps Estrada bounces back and and becomes a somewhat usefull innings-eater like Dickey and his 10 and 12 type-seasons with a 4+ ERA. That's your ceiling on this guy now, so stating such is not to troll, it's a fan telling the truth.

Pathetic? Estrada isn't a high skill pitcher? How is stating that fact pathetic?

As stated many times before.....Estrada a low-skill jobber who had a little success due to locating pitches and very good change-up. Gig is up with this tool.

Dude, Shields isn't tough. He won't be in the league much longer. We're soft and lack the approach and the coaching to knock around a stiff.

Good enough to mow down these turds

Go back on DL Happ......bum

He's old and not aging well......get over it. He'll never hit .250 again and will stick around to hit 20 hrs and bat .200 - .220 for a couple of more seasons to collect a pay cheque.

Russell being Russell.

They have terrible attitudes and fundamentals, which is largely because they've had bad hitting coaches and laissez faire managing.

Should be 3-0......this bum should be chased inside of 4 innings but I guess not. Jays just aren't into hitting and/or producing runs.

Walk-ovwr win but Smoak decides sucking the D a more apt choice than patiently waiting for a pitch off a washed up tool.

Indians will win that division by 15 games.....Twins were never going to remain there.

Frustrating year......Pillar is back to being the .240 bum with trash situational hitting we know and love.

Unimportant anyway.....team not good enough to do anything even if they snuck into wildcard, so cheering them on useless.

Estrada always outpitched his ability. I've said this for two seasons and idiots kept saying he's a stud. He's not......he has middling skills and a great change up. If the change up is thrown too much and in the strike zone too often, it becomes batting practice (especially in hot weather ).